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[edit] Re: Removed Allusions

Hey, thanks for taking those down on Action. I didn't know how "allowable" it was to just delete things altogether. I had tried to edit a couple of them, even though I wanted them off altogether. Especially the supposed music allusion. Having studied music at a major university for four years, I can assure you that there was no musical allusion whatsoever at the end of the episode.--TrumpetManLA 00:09, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. All pages on the wiki are for anybody to edit. As long as they feel like they are improving an article, anybody can delete things. I think we all work together to make the wiki better. Marikology 03:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed allusions

I get that this page is a fan-created list, not verified by the show's producers, but some of these allusions are really speculative. I removed a few that are just plain stretching it. Marikology 02:15, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

  • The Kent farm has objects whose colors are either red, yellow or blue For example, their house is yellow, the barn is red, the truck is blue. The tractor was red at one point but was smashed in the episode Perry. In the episode Transference there was a blue tractor that Lionel (in Clark's body) lifts. - This is silly. What other color is a tractor going to be? and a lot of the Kent trucks are red.
  • Clark is frequently told that he looks good in either blue or red. Actually, two people told him he looked silly in his red and yellow letterman jacket.
  • Sean Kelvin is a reference to the Kelvin temperature scale, which features absolute zero. - This is true but has nothing to do with the Superman universe.
  • Shawn Ashmore starred in the movie X-Men as Bobby Drake (aka Iceman). His character here, "Eric Summers," has a name made up of two X-Men characters: Eric Lensherr (Magneto) and Scott Summers (Cyclops). Besides the fact that it has nothing to do with Superman, this could be a total coincidence, since both are common names.
  • Lex saves Pete from an FBI agent sent by Lionel to force him to reveal Clark's secret, leaving Pete to owe Lex one day. This foreshadows his service as Vice President to Lex's Presidency.- How, exactly?
  • Clark cries over Alicia's death the way he does for Supergirl in Crisis of the Infinite Earths. Most people cry over deaths.
  • The end scene in the loft with Clark and Lois, where they admit their friendship for each other, ends with two stellar objects colliding to the song "Fly" by Mark Joseph, an allusion to Clark and Lois being 'star-crossed' lovers in the comics, and to Clark's future ability to fly. - This is just silly. Aren't they married in the comics anyway? That's not star-crossed.
  • The name of Lex's aide is Samantha Drake. A possible reference to the third Robin, Tim Drake. Not relevant to Superman, and probably stretching a common name.
  • "Walking In Memphis", the song that plays at the end of the episode when Perry rides away on the bus, is a reference to Perry's obsession with Elvis Presley on "Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman". This is a really thin stretch.
  • In the same scene Clark is wearing a red shirt and Lois a blue one and he is behind her looking like a cape. Also, a yellow light is shining over them. These are hints for their future and the colors he will wear as Superman one day.- Clark is always wearing a red shirt! And what other color is light but yellow?
  • Chloe says to Clark "Riddle me this" a reference to Batman villain and DC character, the Riddler. This doesn't even make sense in context. Why would she reference the Riddler?
  • In this episode, Lex's legs were amputated from the accident Clark supposedly caused. In the comics and in Lex's future, Lex has his hand amputated from cancer caused by his Kryptonite Ring. So how do legs lost in an accident refer to a hand lost by cancer?
  • Fine, played by James Marsters, tells Clark "There's no such thing as vampires," alluding to Marsters' role as the vampire Spike on Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel. and Kahn says, "...and tall tales about slaying Buffy the Vampire," which is another allusion to Buffy the Vampire Slayer. - Probably true, but also irrelevant to Superman.
  • When Lana realizes about the benefits of Lex's money, she tells Lex all the good they can do with the power they have. To this, Lex has no response, as in the comics Lex uses his money for his own purposes, and never for good reason.-- Yeah but Lex has previously used his money for good and it's a lot to infer from his non-response.
  • The way that Lois doesn't listen to her editor and goes after her Luthor Lead resembles the comic Lois. In the comics nothing can stop her from a good story. - It's not notable that the Lois in the show acts like the Lois in the comics-- they're the same character!
  • The way Clark saves Lana from a falling from a building resembles the way Superman saves Lois Lane in Superman: The Movie. - Clark has caught people from falling dozens of times. And in the movie, doesn't he pull Lois up from a falling helicopter? Or at least there's some flying involved.
  • The Warrior Angel comic that Lex lets Clark use to find a clue, has a picture of Warrior Angel holding his dead love. This comic panel resembles the way Superman held a dead Supergirl in the comic book mini-series Crisis of the Infinite Earths. -- Except for they're not lovers and how else do you hold a dying loved one? See above- "Clark cries over Alicia's death".
  • The killer crew member tries to get Clark to become a hero by killing Lana. The killer's motives, while evil, could be seen in a noble light; Lana's death may have made Clark pursue his training and reach his destiny as Superman sooner. and Clark leaves the cape he gets on the fence outside and walks away from it. This symbolizes that he is not ready to be a superhero just yet. This doesn't really reference Superman, it's just fan exposition.

[edit] Allusions to (or allusions of) what?

This is a super cool page, but it needs major clean up. My primary complaint is the uneven and incorrect use of the word allusion. Smallville certainly is full of allusions, but any list of allusions contained within the Smallville is meaningless unless you include what they are allusions to (never allusions of). My guess is that this is intended to be a list of allusions to the comics, and that's fine, but not everyone who loves Smallville is a comic fan, so that needs to be explained better since there are also allusions in Smallville (and the Superman myth) to other works. -Samantha's Mom 04:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I've just learned that this page was transplanted from Wikipedia because it does not cite sources and/or has too much original research. It is a list of allusions to the Superman universe (both the comics and movies, I assume) that are found in the show Smallville. So technically, it should be called "List of Allusions to the Superman Universe" or maybe just Allusions to Superman?. I'll put a talk tag on it and see if people want to change the name.Marikology 23:33, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Change page name

Change I vote to change the name to "Allusions to the Superman Universe" or something similar. Almost very episode of SV has allusions to other works, so the page name is confusing. Marikology 18:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Change I like the name change. It helps me out a lot. I've also noticed that allusion is a subheading over at tv.com. I’m not sure it appears in every episode, but that might be a really nice way to keep this page from becoming impossibly unwieldy. -Samantha's Mom 22:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Change Its a good idea. As stated above the current name can be confusing. I also think there should be a way to sort it so that the movie allusions are separated from the comic/general allusions. SFilip 21:52, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "DC Comics characters in Smallville"

Any objections to my moving this section into its own page? Maybe we could turn the DC Comics page into a real page, instead of just a redirect to Wikipedia... --Kanamekun 22:59, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

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